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Grease Equivelant - Topic Powered by eve community Noria Corporation forums.noria.com Message Boards Industrial Lubrication Grease Equivelant Go New Find Notify Tools Reply Admin New PM! Personal Zone» Message Boards» Profile Buddies Ignore List Groups Permissions Notifications Karma Preferences Favorites More... Discussion Poll Photo Album Keyword Search Search current forum only Advanced Search New Since your Last Visit Active Topics in this Category Add to My Favorites Printer Friendly Format Email a Friend Help Manage Topic Manage Content in This Topic Manage Members Online Now Control Panel Rate It! Login/JoinWelcome, [Logout] John Hanson Bronze Member - 1 or more posts Posted Sun May 30 2004 05:31 PM I'm trying to find out the equivelant of the old Socony-Vacuum Gargoyle Grease BRB No.3. This is recommended for the bearings on a jaw crusher and I'm wondering if there's anything that is comparable, or if there's something special about that particular grease?Thank You,John Posts: 2 | Location: Northwest Montana | Registered: Sun May 30 2004 Allan Zieser Bronze Member - 1 or more posts Posted Wed June 09 2004 01:16 PM Hide Post What is the make and model of the crusher? I know that Cedarapids Inc has updated their recomendations for their crushers. Most companies can provide you with updated recommendations if you contact them with the Make Model and Serial numbers.You can also try your lubricant supplier in your area, they should be able to cross most older products into newer products, or work with you to try some greases out to see what will work best for your equipment.Hope this helps you out.Allan Zieser Posts: 7 | Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa | Registered: Wed June 09 2004 Ignored post by Allan Zieser posted Wed June 09 2004 01:16 PM Show Post Marty Gold Member - 25 or more posts Posted Thu June 10 2004 06:06 AM Hide Post John,Do you have any literature on the crusher? What type of bearing is it, make and model, and how is the bearing being used. I have worked on a large mechanical press, 2500 tons, which uses a 50,000 # flywheel to drive the main gears. In doing research I discovered that the original grease recommended was not necessarily the best grease currently available for the application. Depending on the age of the equipment, there may be a better grease for the application. Greases are being constantly developed and improved. What was good ten years ago may not be the best now. I would start with your OEM and then move on to the bearing manufacturer to determine if the grease recommended originally is the right one. The only thing I would caution you on is that you should always consider the compatibility issue prior to changing greases. I always tell our techs to consider ALL greases as incompatible unless they have been tested. Hope this helps. Good luck. Posts: 30 | Location: Mehoopany, PA | Registered: Mon March 29 2004 Ignored post by Marty posted Thu June 10 2004 06:06 AM Show Post .:[EM]:. Double Platinum Member - 100 or more posts Posted Thu June 10 2004 09:01 AM Hide Post Hi John,Like Marty and Allen mentioned: it would help if you have some background on the crusher. I've got a lot of OEM info on crushers, so maybe with this information and the expertise of the users on this forum we can give you a suitable advice!greetz!.:[EM]:. Posts: 132 | Location: The Netherlands | Registered: Tue May 25 2004 Ignored post by .:[EM]:. posted Thu June 10 2004 09:01 AM Show Post Dipen Silver Member - 10 or more posts Posted Thu June 10 2004 10:46 AM Hide Post Hi John,Can you please provide some basic information such as O.D of bearing in milimeter and it's r.p.m. What is the temp range it is subjected to. What type of loading condition it is subjected, I assume it is a shock load application. Any contaminant ingress or water ingress etc. Or any other information;Based on these informations I can suggest you a set of specification of a grease which may be suitable for this application.Please note O.E.Ms are master of making their machines and lubricant is not their cup of tea, it is only tribologists who suggest the best lubricant for their m/c. I fully agree with Marty with the age of the m/c there are better greases in the market for these applications, only thing is that proper selection should be made with great care alongwith compatibilty issue in our mind.RegardsDipendra Jhadctex04@indiatimes.com Posts: 24 | Registered: Fri April 23 2004 Ignored post by Dipen posted Thu June 10 2004 10:46 AM Show Post .:[EM]:. Double Platinum Member - 100 or more posts Posted Fri June 11 2004 04:56 AM Hide Post quote:Originally posted by Dipen:Please note O.E.Ms are master of making their machines and lubricant is not their cup of tea, it is only tribologists who suggest the best lubricant for their m/c. As a tribologist I always find the OEM info very informative to base my recommendation on.Not all manufacturers are stupid regarding lubricants. The variety on OEM oil specifications is the proof of this! A lot of manufacturers have tribologist as employees!No offense by the way. .:[EM]:. Posts: 132 | Location: The Netherlands | Registered: Tue May 25 2004 Ignored post by .:[EM]:. posted Fri June 11 2004 04:56 AM Show Post Arupanjan Double Platinum Member - 100 or more posts Posted Sat June 12 2004 03:33 AM Hide Post I think Dipen was basing his experience to India onlyArupanjan Mukherji Posts: 105 | Location: Kolkata, WB India | Registered: Sat March 20 2004 Ignored post by Arupanjan posted Sat June 12 2004 03:33 AM Show Post Dipen Silver Member - 10 or more posts Posted Tue June 15 2004 11:02 PM Hide Post Absolutely correct, Arupanjan.We are riding on same boat, nice to hear you on forum as an active member.RegardsDipendra Jha quote:Originally posted by Arupanjan:I think Dipen was basing his experience to India only Posts: 24 | Registered: Fri April 23 2004 Ignored post by Dipen posted Tue June 15 2004 11:02 PM Show Post macabf Platinum Member - 50 or more posts Posted Wed June 16 2004 05:35 PM Hide Post JohnI assume Mobil Gargoyle Grease B is the same grease and consists of calcium thickener NLGI 3and mineral oil of 20cSt @40C Drop point is 90 CThe oil viscosity is a bit light but maybe your bearings speed is high.This grease culd be an alternativeCastrol PH Greasecalcium thickener NLGI 3 and mineral oil of 40 cSt @40CDrop point is 91 CThis grease also contains zinc oxide Posts: 57 | Location: Port Kembla, NSW, Australia | Registered: Mon January 26 2004 Ignored post by macabf posted Wed June 16 2004 05:35 PM Show Post John Hanson Bronze Member - 1 or more posts Posted Thu June 17 2004 12:45 PM Hide Post Sorry for being so tardy in getting back to all of you. Thanks for the replies! The maximum rpm for the shaft is 250. I'm sure the forces are tremendous, although I can't say just what they are.. let's just say that it will take a 10 inch rock and in just a few bites, make it 3/4 of an inch.. The OEM is somewhat non-commital. They recommend that I use "the modern equivelant" of the original recommended grease.. yet wont say just what this is.There are 4 large double roller bearings, and minimal seals on the shaft. The seals are to keep the big chunks out, and the grease also carries alot out. OEM recommends 1/2 pound of grease pumped into each bearing every 16 hours, and 1/4 pound of grease pumped into the thrust surfaces every 8 hours.In talking to the local operators, they are all using a #2 moly EP grease and having good luck. I'm guessing that I'll be ok going with the same... It gets greased every day with me operating it.. lube is cheap in comparison with the damage done from lack of the same.Again, thanks for the responces, and I hope this will be able to help some of you make more recommendations.John Posts: 2 | Location: Northwest Montana | Registered: Sun May 30 2004 Ignored post by John Hanson posted Thu June 17 2004 12:45 PM Show Post Sandy Silver Member - 10 or more posts Posted Tue June 22 2004 11:06 AM Hide Post Mobilgrease BRB No3 was based on a soda thickener with a low viscosity mineral oil (35 cSt @38C/100F). The penetration details suggest the grease was an NLGI# 1.5 (despite the misleading name)As suggested by other members, a multipurpose NLGI 2 grease with moly would seem to be a reasonable recomendation. Posts: 18 | Location: Lymington, UK | Registered: Mon January 26 2004 Ignored post by Sandy posted Tue June 22 2004 11:06 AM Show Post Dipen Silver Member - 10 or more posts Posted Fri June 25 2004 12:51 PM Hide Post Dear John,Looking at details given by you I would suggest you to use a grease NLGI Grade 2 or 3, having higher base oil viscosity(nearly 400 cst at 40 deg. centigrade) because it is heavy loaded application with minimal selaing arrangement. The grease should contain nearly 3% of moly to take care of load and shocks, you may check for four ball and Timken test for comparision. Prefer synthetic base oil for the application.I hope you may decrese frequency of greasing upto certain extent and save bearings at the same time by using this type of grease.RegardsDipendra Jha Posts: 24 | Registered: Fri April 23 2004 Ignored post by Dipen posted Fri June 25 2004 12:51 PM Show Post Arupanjan Double Platinum Member - 100 or more posts Posted Fri June 25 2004 10:53 PM Hide Post The most important thing is that we have to select a grease from the availibility in the place.DN factor is covered up hopefully and weld load of 400 kg or 4000N, wheather its moly or not I dont care, as a user, as long as I get that weld load, and Mineral oil with Li complex as the compatibility is a factor and sealing of dust and dirt is an issue, should work regardsArupanjan Mukherji Posts: 105 | Location: Kolkata, WB India | Registered: Sat March 20 2004 Ignored post by Arupanjan posted Fri June 25 2004 10:53 PM Show Post Previous Topic | Next Topic powered by eve community Please Wait. 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